tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post959841856041328717..comments2024-02-19T22:24:48.553-06:00Comments on Ite ad Thomam Institute: The Athanasian Creed, "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus", and Invincible IgnoranceUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-9030443071512585322011-10-12T05:58:43.463-05:002011-10-12T05:58:43.463-05:00Friday, October 7, 2011
LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST...Friday, October 7, 2011<br />LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE <br />Dean of the Faculty of Philosophy, University Pontifical Regina Apostolorum, Rome in his office today morning said he was familiar with the text of the dogma Cantate Domino and he would endorse it in public.<br /><br /><br />Fr. Rafael Pascual said he and other Legionaries Catholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-14273484677794693652008-01-08T19:06:00.000-06:002008-01-08T19:06:00.000-06:00Both. I am one of those who think the pre-VII and...Both. I am one of those who think the pre-VII and post-VII Church are identical (i.e., the same, One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church), at least in essence--even if many of the accidents have changed (for the worst).Don Pacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311891550867339411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-78346292215849160982008-01-08T18:25:00.000-06:002008-01-08T18:25:00.000-06:00Hi, I was just wondering if you are an adherent to...Hi, <BR/>I was just wondering if you are an adherent to the Catholic Church or the Vatican II Church.n8pzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06322696596407712836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-38175378256288656192007-09-22T22:58:00.000-05:002007-09-22T22:58:00.000-05:00+AMDGIn my reading, whenever St. Thomas gave it an...+AMDG<BR/><BR/>In my reading, whenever St. Thomas gave it any name at all, he called it "baptismus poenitentiae," or occasionally "baptismus flaminis" (though this second was generally mentioned only as an alternative to the first). I don't pretend to have exhausted the sources, however.<BR/><BR/>Saying "votum baptismi" seems fine to me, though incomplete, and also slightly ambiguous; "baptismusDonald Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13039712724283289972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-67854204747691014002007-09-22T14:10:00.000-05:002007-09-22T14:10:00.000-05:00So you're saying Aquinas uses the term "baptismus ...So you're saying Aquinas uses the term "baptismus poenitentiae" almost exclusively? I wasn't aware of that. If that's the case, then it wouldn't be a novelty.<BR/><BR/>Now, when I say we should keep the traditional Scholastic language, I don't just mean we should keep the language of the Magisterium. The magisterium does not have much to say on this.<BR/><BR/>I mean we should keep the langaugeDon Pacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311891550867339411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-38810756796996761822007-09-22T11:14:00.000-05:002007-09-22T11:14:00.000-05:00+AMDGThanks for your comments. I'm curious as to ...+AMDG<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments. I'm curious as to why you consider the term "baptism of penance" (baptismus poenitentiae) a novelty, however. St. Thomas himself used it almost exclusively, though occasionally he'd say "baptismus flaminis." This, to me, indicates its conformity with your well-stated principle: "[T]heological precision is not the only thing required by orthodoxy; Donald Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13039712724283289972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-14892488439744652392007-09-21T18:28:00.000-05:002007-09-21T18:28:00.000-05:00Dear Mr. Goodman,Thank you for your comment and fo...Dear Mr. Goodman,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your comment and for the link to your article.<BR/><BR/>I, too, have a problem with the expression "baptism of desire." That expression exists only in some of the vernacular languages (English, Spanish), and is a fundamental mistranslation of its Latin counterpart, votum baptismi (lit., "the desire of baptism"). The translation reverses the meaning and Don Pacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311891550867339411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-42695239597776633382007-09-20T21:49:00.000-05:002007-09-20T21:49:00.000-05:00+AMDGI've attempted what I think is a pretty thoro...+AMDG<BR/><BR/>I've attempted what I think is a pretty thorough analysis of the Thomistic writings on this subject: <BR/>http://gorpub.freeshell.org/origsin.pdf<BR/>My readings (the translations are a bit blocky, as I'd rather be inelegant than inaccurate) correspond entirely with the above.Donald Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13039712724283289972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-12337793491366537692007-09-19T22:03:00.000-05:002007-09-19T22:03:00.000-05:00Gregg,I have not studied the history of the questi...Gregg,<BR/><BR/>I have not studied the history of the question, but I believe you will find a harmonious synthesis of these apparently diverging "schools" in the teaching of Aquinas. He teaches that:<BR/><BR/>1) Ordinarily, explicit faith in the basic articles of the faith, such as the Trinity, the Incarnation, etc. (and implicit faith in everything else) is necessary for salvation. <BR/><BR/>Don Pacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14311891550867339411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24504461.post-9394074293020654382007-09-14T00:07:00.000-05:002007-09-14T00:07:00.000-05:00Dear Prof. Romero,This - the correct interpretatio...Dear Prof. Romero,<BR/><BR/>This - the correct interpretation of "extra ecclesiam" - is a question I have been trying to tackle for a long time.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that there are two schools of theologians on this matter. The first school holds that explicit faith in Christ is necessary for salvation, and that if God chooses to save a person, by his Providence, that person will always come Gregghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16254761111683853291noreply@blogger.com